Comments on: Demonic Circle - Will it Really Help?

By: Rild

Rild — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 02:04:55 +0000

I see how most people here see this as a PvP ability, but not enjoying PvP makes this kind of useless to me. However Bob Dole above brought up something that I would like to see in this, Aggro reduction. Why not have it wipe some aggro when you circle away? PvPers get a way to put some distance up and PvEers get a way to not have Omen screaming at them. As a 0/21/40 lock in raids, shatter is good, though not always enough if it is a long tank & spank (especially if your the top dps of your guild you spend time running around bandaging with the shadow-priests). I would say give it a few seconds daze (not able to cast) however that would make it 100% useless in pvp…

By: Gell

Gell — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:00:37 +0000

the way i see it is we will be partially confined an a circle with a radius of 40yds, at least in BGs,
hopefully we can get a glyph that can inrease the range to 45-50yds

but overall i can see this being a good too, it would be nice if it could wipe threat/dots/curses/whatever as well, so it could be utilized in PVE

By: Bob Dole

Bob Dole — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:30:42 +0000

Bleh, I would much rather a self banish ability similar to Ice Block instead of this. Placing the demonic circle requires forethought which in BGs is not easy. Arenas though, as someone mentioned, if the teleport does not require LOS then it will completely OP the warlock class against melee. Especially in a Nagrand arena situation.

All of this speculation is best left until we have all of the spell details however.

By: Liam

Liam — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:08:24 +0000

None of the rogue/warriors/dks/ret palas/feral druids anti cc abilitys have 40 yd range so if you just make it far enough from your circle before they jump you, you should be ok :O

By: Rockeroad

Rockeroad — Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:43:00 +0000

Well if your undead its 5 and this ability will be very good if it removes all debuffs(or at least movement imparing). that would give us time to kite with CoEx if you have it. If not fire chaos bolts and shadowfury if your destro and pop demon form if your demo. all in all we just have to wait till the beta allows us to 80 to test it.

By: WLambros

WLambros — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:55:23 +0000

Ok so its not 5 attempts to fear a warrior but 4. Huge difference.
The idea of keeping melee away with fear is so silly. And I agree on interception

By: Horns

Horns — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:51:28 +0000

@Urm
Fear has a 20 yard range (26 with talents), and a 1.5 (1.3) second cast time - that gives warriors plenty of time to intercept back.

@Wlambros - Deathwish won’t be breaking fear effects in Wrath

By: WLambros

WLambros — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:06:27 +0000

Apparently you didnt know that warriors have 4 different abilities which resist fear. If I have to fear you 5 times to get you away then: A) I will run out of mana B)I will die (most possibly)

By: Urm

Urm — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:59:28 +0000

Ok guys I play a warrior(don’t hate me) and a lock alt, and this ability would be pretty effective. Intercept has a 30 maybe 35 yard range so you can port out of range in time to fear. Now onto what what horn said about this being the only get out of melee range ability. we still have fear, and if we had blink nothing could kill us, so I say bravo Blizzard for keeping the balance. May we never have more Oh *$@! buttons than the other classes.

By: WLambros

WLambros — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:55:56 +0000

This is crap! I am in BG and i am trying to place the circle to its max distance. by the time i click to place it, i am stunned and sliced up by a rogue, received one blow from a warrior or a hunter’s best is stunning me and causing spell cast interruption.
I think the class’s limitations are very obvious.

By: Jagoex

Jagoex — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:56:01 +0000

At the moment, the spell is slightly effective against melee when timed properly, and ever so slightly more effective for Affliction Warlocks, who can keep moving while doing damage and get creative with the Exhaustion/D-Circle combo. It also helps that it puts us out of the range of most of their movement-slowing abilities–a big step in the right direction for sure.

The key to making it work is placing the circle down WELL BEFORE contact is ever made and then staying 35ish yards away from it. Once intercepted, cheap shotted, or whatever, DoT up the target, Curse with Exhaustion, then teleport, trinket if your movement is impaired, and run PERPENDICULAR to the line your target is in. You want them to stay as far away from the summoned circle as possible, and running in the opposite direction will put them right on top it as they chase you down–not a good thing, especially considering you’ll need to get closer to reapply your DoTS and do more damage. And closer means that they can attack you to, and you don’t want that happening near your route of escape.

Once you’re at about 35 yards from the summoning point, run around the edge of that invisible circle, kiting your target in an arc of sorts. Hopefully, he has blown all of his cooldowns by now, and he’ll just waste away slowly. If they try to bandage, your pet’s attacks will interrupt them, so no worries there. Pots, however, are a different story, but you should have yours too, right? =P

All-in-all, it’s a fun little twist to Warlocking. Good times.

By: Wildhermit

Wildhermit — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:03:03 +0000

@ Horns : /sigh Did not know that… Well my hopes for this ability were just crushed. All of that for a “meh” pvp talent.

By: Romil

Romil — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:43:34 +0000

I agree Horns, i’m not excited at all with this ability. The mechanics of it are too awkward. In a PVP situation when you’ve got to act fast, its too clumsy to lay down a circle and then summon yourself to it.

We need something like an anti snare spell. Priests can remove DoT’s, and Mages can freeze, slow people down and blink. All we can do is Death Coil, but you can’t death coil if you’re already snared. We need an instant cast snare remover. Whatever that may be.

By: Horns

Horns — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:36:38 +0000

It lasts only 6 minutes, and has a 40 yd range, so it won’t ever be used as a Hearthstone. Cool idea though

By: Necrofilo

Necrofilo — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:14:37 +0000

well i gotta say that this spell will enhance our combat whit warriors, u just got to make sure they spend his intercept. i know this is kinda situational but if it’s used the right way it can save your ass.

In the matter of rogues ill have to put my sad face :(, shadow step it’s a bitch… and combined whit all of their abilities there’s no way that a good rogue let u go off melee range.

And i really hope Teleport can be used out of LoS, that will be really useful in arenas.

By: Wildhermit

Wildhermit — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:41:53 +0000

I had not even looked at it in that light.

The way that I read it, and hope it to be so, is like a personal summon. You have your hearth… that is cool… drop this circle wherever you want and summon your self back to that spot. I envision it to have a 1hour or 30 minute duration…

I am not in the Beta though. All my thoughts are just my hopes really.