Comments on: WotLK Beta Patch Notes - Warlock

By: sadf

sadf — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:16:52 +0000

what if u knew that they were nerfing meta?

By: sadf

sadf — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:19:40 +0000

well demo was supposed to be a survivability spec.now what is it?it has nothing other than a better pet and buffs for it.if everyone gets soul link then demo will have 0 appeal

By: Ollie

Ollie — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:18:49 +0000

I’d also like to add that I got my warlock friend to help me do my hunter quest waaaay back, and tbh was ingenius of me to use CoR to eliminate fear debuff from the silithus boss ^^ so ‘:<’ to the debuff tbh

By: Ollie

Ollie — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:15:55 +0000

3 life taps to fill up an empty tank, 4.5 secs of instant mana regen > stacking spirit

By: stoopz

stoopz — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:43:52 +0000

The most retarde thing blizz is making is forcing us into fire builds. Shadow dmg will die with wotlk. Why are they even saving the ISB when no one gets a chance to use it..? Thanks blizz! Well done once again.

By: Nibuca

Nibuca — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:29:07 +0000

Sorry I’m a bit late to the party. But doesn’t this change:

Curse of Recklessness will no longer prevent Fear effects, only prevent NPCs from fleeing (e.g. at low health).

Also mean that we can no longer yoyo a target that we’ve feared that’s running in the wrong direction?

No more yo-yoing.

Nibuca
http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/

By: Tarey

Tarey — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:21:44 +0000

“Shadowfury (Destruction) - Can now be cast while moving. Stun duration increased to 3 seconds, up from 2. Nobody ever uses it these days, we’ll see how it goes”

I use it

“Unstable Affliction (Affliction): Silence effect reduced to 3 seconds, down from 5.”

Doesn’t really matter, Priests now adays are smarter, this small nerf might actually be good when people saw it and think that the punishment is worth taking if it saves somebody’s life in some critical situation. e.g. Arena.

By: iva256

iva256 — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:50:43 +0000

The Recklessness change is clearly to eliminate griefing.

Herbing ‘locks will be familiar with the practice of other-faction ‘locks throwing a Recklessness on your Forest-Rager up in Skettis in hopes that you’ll get killed when you can’t fear it and they’ll get to ninja…

It’s one of the only ways in the game that you can “buff” a mob that is claimed by somebody of the other faction.

By: Pedro Lucas

Pedro Lucas — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:47:15 +0000

Agree. 0/40/21 is atm a working raid spec, and dropping Demo features to enhance destro and specially affli PVP is stupid.

By: erebus

erebus — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:25:08 +0000

Ye as if the destro lock and afflylock were not enough good in PvP. And anyway the game needs to be balanced for PvE, not for PvP, since 75% of the content is PvE.
Debuffing soullink means a loose of dps, and watching the new demonology talents, the nerf of shadowbolt improved and so on, seems to me that a demo spec is no more viable for raiding. For sure we will need to see testing, but if a caster class looses dps, it means it’s usually less viable in PvE raids, even if it has good debuffs, unless Blizzard gets rid of “enrage timers”

By: Horns

Horns — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:43:13 +0000

I doubt warlocks will tank much in Wrath. If I understood correctly, Death Knights will be the anti-caster tanks.
Still, moving Soul Link to 11 point talent is a huge buff, simply because other specs can then be viable in PvP - more about that in a post coming soon

By: erebus

erebus — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:36:11 +0000

Fuck the damn PvP ruining raiding specs.
Loose 5% on soul link = less “tanking” capabilities for locks in some situations.
Loose 5% damage = less overall damage for raiding Demo spec (wich atm is viable), and for that? for uber destro/affly spec for PvP? Fuck it’s a nerf!

By: Jagoex

Jagoex — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:12:54 +0000

Great summary of the notes, Horns. Always a stellar job.

The Spirit issue, as Megan pointed out, will be resolved with the new focus devs have taken when designing items and gear sets. We’ve already seen a taste of the “generic” with the S4 gear, to a certain extent (more cosmetic than stat-based), and I can only imagine that while pushing for an even greater E-sport status that the classes will only become more and more alike.

Unfortunately, as an after-effect, what was a great talent in Demonic Embrace now becomes strictly PvP-oriented. It pretty much was leaning in that direction already, but this change pretty much solidifies it as such.

The Recklessness change is a PvP-oriented change. What it does is allow Warlocks to CC with a quick cast of Fear, interrupting spells and other “casted” abilities, while melee hammers away on their target. The hope is that Recklessness will be more widely used outside of the PvE realm. The change, to me, seems a bit messy still, and I’m sure we’ll be seeing more tweaks to the mechanic before Wrath’s release.

By: dorgol

dorgol — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:50:29 +0000

Agreed about Spirit. I know why it’s there, but I really don’t want it.

Haunt looks like an excellent talent for Affliction… maybe cool enough to pull me away from Demonology for the first time since Feb ‘05.

By: megan

megan — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:51:47 +0000

The main thing about Spirit, I’m sure we’re going to see more of it—because of gear consolidation (like Spell Damage and Healing being combined into Spellpower, Melee Hit and Spell Hit being combined into Hit), I’m sure Locks will be rolling on “generic” cloth gear with the Mages and Priests—which will have the usual STA/INT/SPI stats.

By: Horns

Horns — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:17:52 +0000

You’re right, fear will be a problem now in instances since you can no longer break it.

I don’t like spirit either, warlocks never had it nor wanted it. It probably means we will get that Life Tap nerf afterall

By: Saresa

Saresa — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:54:23 +0000

I have said it all over the place, but I will say it again… I really do not like Spirit for warlocks! What an empty stat to make us stack. Perhaps this is Blizzard being super lazy and having itemisation the same for all classes (since we will all share alot more now with the new ‘Spellpower’ or whatever it’s called). The changes to CoR are also unfortunate for people who enjoy using fear as a form of CC - without the CoR to control it, it will be much less viable. Cheering about the Destro hit talent though - about time!!!