So, I guess I’ve said what I have to say. You seem like an intelligent person that is purposely making a bad decision to prove a point.

Hooray for backhanded compliments! …or something.

Seriously, why do people feel the need to tell others how to enjoy their time? I mean seriously, is how you gear your character wasting his $15 a month? This Mace fellow is exactly the kind of player I tend to avoid.

Don’t pay any mind, if you’re winning against Rogues or any other class a good amount of the time then you’re obviously doing something right. That’s regardless of someone spewing resil facts he read on some actually intelligent person’s theorycraft like he wrote the book.

Resilience to a degree is necessary, but a difference in resilience is a much smaller gap to cross than an difference in skill. Since this guy knows so much I suppose he can start his own blog and tell people what to do with their time there.

Keep up the good work Smatter, and don’t let folks like this get under your skin, it’s not worth it.

cloak after ur done with ur stuns, aren’t u kinda fucked if the lock doesn’t use deathcoil while u pressed cloak right away after the stuns lol. why would the rogue vanish if u dont deathcoil ? he can just keep bashing on u, no need to vanish, use cloak wisely plz

However, it sounds like you should have rolled a rogue. They get to use quite a bit of PvE gear in PvP.

As I discussed with Horns, I do see how resilience is good. I just wish Blizzard had gone about it a different way.

… as for the ‘afkers get gear’ logic - nobody wants those people getting gear. it’s a poor argument, because the system is there to reward people who DO PvP all the time as opposed to people who PvP just as much as say person X who raids and is of an equivalent skill level and, if there was no BG gear, would progress, whereas the PvPer would not.

YES, you are right. If I were to resocket every stamina gem with +8 resilience, I would have 72 more resilience than I have now. YES, I would die less. YES, I would “win” more. YES, it would be fairly easy for me to do.

Here’s the truth, I hate what resilience has done to PvP. I much prefer Vanilla PvP to current PvP. Basing PvP combat around one stat is a bad idea to me. This is the reason for my resentment:

In Vanilla, you would raid, get gear, hit up the BGs and melt face. Now, you raid, hit up the BGs and get clobbered. Why should someone who AFKs/barely participates in BGs get better gear than someone who has devoted his schedule to a guild’s progress? Essentially, it’s a deep-seated resentment I’ve held since BC. That’s the truth.

I’m not satisfied with the current state of PvP. It’s a game of whoever has the most resilience. I like to prove that I don’t need to maximize my gear to have fun. THAT’S why I don’t go out of my way for PvP gear.

I found it highly effective v. rogues. Non-undead anyway. And yes, I have nets.

Essentially, you have a great deal of quick damage at your disposal, and whilst CoEX might be possibly the worst snare in the game, it’s still better than none. This spec will become significantly better in Wrath - you can nip the conflagrate stun talent as well as the new buffed CoEX; joy joy.

And against rogues, when you get time to cast anything that isn’t fear, immo->sburn->conflag. Hell, shadowburn whenever it’s off cooldown. Yeah, you eat shards like candy, but no power without cost etc etc.
Besides, conflag is poorly scripted so your latency affects how quick it blows after your immolate lands.

When you land a fear [hopefully against non-undead..else they're retarded, or have bad cooldown luck - who knows or cares, really] throw a shadowbolt then while it’s in midair immo->coex->conflag. that much damage WILL make them panic clos, and probably lolstep or sprint, so clearly that’s the best moment to net and if you can’t beat them from that position..something’s wrong.

However, you hit the nail on the head when you said:

“I play World of Warcraft for FUN.”

I can understand not wanting to nitpick over your gear; that’s fine. Furthermore, I’m not berating you for having a suboptimal setup. You seem to understand that what you’re running is suboptimal, but you are doing it anyways. That’s what I don’t get. You say you don’t want to fuss over your gear, yet you understand what you would need to do to make your setup better. So would it really be nitpicking to just do it?

You say you play WoW for fun. If you socket for resilience you will, with VERY minimal effort:

1) Decrease how much you die.
2) Increase the amount you “win”.

I guess that’s my point. It would take so little effort to do this, why not just do it?

I can understand not wanting to spend hours farming apexis shards and getting 25 people together just to get a meta gem that is slightly better than one you can AH in 5 seconds. I can understand not wanting to farm gold for hours on end so you can socket all your gear with epic gems. That, IMO, would be nitpicking and it’s not for everyone.

So, I guess I’ve said what I have to say. You seem like an intelligent person that is purposely making a bad decision to prove a point.

Would you honestly not enjoy being more successful? Would you be willing to spend 100g and 2 minutes of your time to find out?

It’s clear to me, nlyav (Or should I say “Vayln”?), that you define real PvP by the Arena. However, BGs were around long before Arena. Regardless of the situation, there’s always going to be some scenario-based gimmick that will prevent PvP from being true PvP (see BG scenarios/pillars).

Also, very clever, Nick.

Furthermore, I also did say that I don’t care about my gear; you caught me there. Allow me to rephrase that: I don’t stress over gear. The pieces I have are the ones I picked up while PvPing in between raids. I didn’t go out of my way to get them or to optimize them.

I would argue that a good PvPer is not determined by his ability to kill his enemy. Where does this leave healers? Sometimes being a good PvPer means knowing when to back out of losing battles, halting your opponent’s combos, sacrificing yourself to help the team, and so on.

I do understand that resilience will get me better mileage out of my gear. I don’t feel I need to “do better” in PvP combat. I’m content with my successes with my current gear and spec.

You’re doing exactly what I hate, Mace: You are berating others because of their talents and gear. This is what turns forums into flamefests. I’m not you. I will never be you. My gear is not optimized. You can’t make me optimize it. I’m not you.

I am really perturbed when people develop “I’m an expert at WoW” syndrome (this goes hand-in-hand with the “I’m on the internet; I can be an asshole” syndrome). It seems to me that most people develop this. Why can’t we just worry about ourselves? Do you see me digging up your armory to nit-pick? This is what prevents forums from becoming more that “NO U” contests. Instead of seeing what others are doing, worry about yourself.

I play World of Warcraft purely for FUN. Did it ever occur to you that the purpose of this game is fun? I could not care less about about my character’s gear and talents so long as I am enjoying the game.

Let it be. If my enjoyment is getting in the way of your enjoyment, I apologize.

Also destruction is hardly unplayable. It’s just a completely different playstyle to afflic/demo. Try SL+CoEX/conflagrate some time, too, instead of simple cookiecutter shadowfury - it’s quite effective provided you’re good.

The answer is that you do care. Perhaps not very much, but you do care. And since you must care a little, I still don’t see why you wouldn’t spend 5 minutes to properly socket your gear considering it took you hours upon hours of farming to get what pvp gear you do have.

You say you are a good pvper. The measure of a good pvper is not some nebulous, nonobjective term. The ability of a pvper is measured by his ability to kill his enemy. This can be done through skill, gear, and talents. You arbitrarily say you don’t care about one of those factors. You say that you don’t care about talents and yet run a perfect cookie-cutter SL/SL talent spec. See the contradiction?

I’m glad someone else FINALLY mentioned using these things as I’ve been preaching their gospel forever now.

In regards to the health thing: Okay, so I don’t always have the most health in a BG. The health thing was a joke on my part. I’ve noticed, however, that quite frequently I do have the most health in BGs, which is amusing to me because in AV it pretty much says to me: “We’ve lost this BG.”